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Euroleague Top16 Week #4 Notes

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The red flags were there.

Real Madrid had conceded more than or close to 90 points four times since the beginning of December, vs Alicante, Estudiantes, Siena and Bilbao on Sunday. The defensive shortcomings culminated in a crushing 69-93 defeat in Bilbao on Wednesday, which hands Bilbao the tie-breaking advantage over Real in Group F.

The game was practically lost after the 14-34 first quarter, the 16-point first leg advantage already voided. The 20 point deficit was a product of hot shooting by Mumbru/Vassiliadis and terrible basketball by Real, with turnovers, miserable shot selection and non-existent backcourt protection. Here’s the list of Bilbao’s first quarter field goals. Seven of their 13 field goals came before the shotclock had turned to 13, four of those directly in fastbreak, leading to ten points. They were 13 of 14 from the field.

Min Score Sec Used Action Blame
1 3-0 15 Vassiladis fadeaway triple
2 5-0 10 Jackson baseline drive & dish to Hervelle Llull / Mirotic
3 8-0 11 High-Low (Fischer to Hervelle), kickout to Mumbru triple Begic (?)
3 10-0 3 Suarez turnover (Steal Hervelle), Jackson to Hervelle in transition Suarez
4 12-2 14 Mumbru drive & difficult floater over Mirotic
4 14-3 9 Hervelle to Mumbru Suarez
5 17-3 17 Vassiliadis spot up triple Pocius
5 19-8 10 Jackson drives past Begic in PnR Begic
6 22-8 3 Miss, no backcourt protection, Jackson And1 Carroll / Llull
7 25-8 5 Turnover Reyes, Jackson to Grimau, And1 Reyes / Llull
9 29-12 2 Bad shot Llull, no backcourt protection, easy layup Vassiliadis Llull / S.Rod
10 31-14 16 Grimau-Banic PnR Mirotic
10 34-14 SC off R.Lopez pull up triple in PnR S.Rod

 

Having four team fouls early doesn’t help. Both and one plays could have been prevented by quick fouls to stop the fastbreak, but Llull and Carroll didn’t want to give away free throws to Aaron Jackson, an 81 percent foul shooter in EL & ACB combined.

Victory over Real does not turn Bilbao into a contender. They’ve had their fair share of problems this season, registering seven wins versus seven losses in the Euroleague and just 10-9 in ACB. But they’re the type of hard-working, enthusiastic bunch you like to see in the playoffs. This is theirs for the grabs now.

Galatasaray: Big win, but biggest game still ahead

Galatasaray grinded out a victory over CSKA – their first defeat in the Euroleague after thirteen straight victories – in admirable fashion. CSKA has been an offensive machine with a 57.2 eFG% that places them among the very elite offenses in modern Euroleague history. Against the Turks, CSKA shot 43.6 eFG% and committed 17 turnovers. Galatasaray prevented CSKA from attacking in transition, keeping the game at a pace of 68 possessions per team, six under CSKA’s usual pace of 74 possessions per 40 minutes.

The fans were phenomenal. Galatasaray fans portray their players as physically stronger and significantly more handsome than their CSKA counterparts. The latter is undoubtedly true.

Galatasaray is last among all sixteen Top16 participants in offensive rating, probably due to a lack of post presence, but they are a solid eighth in defensive rating. This is a well-coached, homogenous team with good characters. They count on their pick and roll offense, but their best post player is a swingman (Lucas). They are second from bottom in shot blocking but fifth in steals.

Kazlauskas did not shift Kirilenko to power forward (just two minutes there) in the absence of Khryapa. Vorontsevich (6 points, 3/9 field goals, 5 boards) played 24 minutes instead. CSKA, Krstic in particular, desperately missed Khryapa’s high-low-passing. In his absence, Krstic had his first single digit scoring game of the Euroleague season.

Before edging CSKA, Galatasaray had lost by four points each to Montepaschi, Unics and Barcelona in the regular season. They are winning games by an average score of 71-68 at home, but losing 67-78 on average on the road. GS will not advance without victory over Olympiakos in Piraeus in Top16 Week 6.

Maccabi: Defense creates offense, but halfcourt playmaking still an issue

Maccabi took the tie breaker over Cantu with a 75-60 victory in Nokia Arena yesterday, which puts them in pole position for the second spot in the group. A home victory next week over Zalgiris means early qualification, if Cantù doesn’t defeat Barça.

Cantu went into half time with a 41-39 lead before a 23-5 third quarter blew the game wide open. Theo Papaloukas got serious minutes in the first half due to Ohayon’s early foul trouble, with mixed results.

Theo opened with a turnover, then had a solid stretch where he created plenty of good looks (which weren’t always converted), but also missed out on a couple of box outs and committed another turnover before Blatt sent him back to the bench. His 13-minute-appearance didn’t really answer our questions, but I still prefer Papaloukas over Mallet or Langford at point guard. Yesterday, one of either Ohayon or Papaloukas was on the floor for all but three minutes, which also pushed Mallet to off guard and led to eight small forward minutes for Keith Langford.

Yogev Ohayon was huge in the second half. He had four defensive and one offensive rebound in the third quarter, followed by a couple of steals in the fourth. He finished with nine points, six boards, three assists and two steals. The performance is no fluke. He’s third among qualifying point guards in steals percentage (3.7) and first, ahead of the notoriously good rebounder Victor Sada, in defensive rebound percentage. His 17.9 defensive rebound rate edges out centers like Fran Vazquez, Boniface N’Dong, Sofoklis Schortsanitis and Nikola Pekovic.

Several BSL standouts have flourished for Maccabi in the recent past (see Morris, Perkins, Pargo), but Ohayon, even if he had already been a great ball thief for Hapoel Jerusalem the year before, was just a footnote last summer in Maccabi’s big roster reshuffle following the departure of Pargo, Perkins and Eidson. This is a pleasant surprise.

A defensive powerhouse

Barça has kept opponents (most recent: Zalgiris) under 60 points in five of 14 games, including a historical 71-57 over Maccabi at Nokia Arena. They’ve conceded over 70 only three times. I don’t have pace-adjusted defensive stats for other eras, but as far as points per game go, this is, if sustainable, the best defensive performance in modern Euroleague history.

The 2008/09 CSKA Moscow played at a ridiculously low tempo, so it is possible that Pascual’s 2009/10 title-winning Barça is top two in a pace-adjusted format.

Evgeny Pashutin’s Unics Kazan is fifth in opponent points per game, Simone Pianigiani’s Montepaschi 2011/12 tenth, followed by its 2010/11 version on eleven. The 2005-09 CSKA dynasty has all four teams in top seven.

This table is premature, though. Opponent quality matters, all three teams have playoffs and possibly Final Four still ahead.

Elsewhere

Olympiakos made a big step to the quarter finals by pushing Efes practically out of the playoff picture. The Reds need a home victory over Galatasaray to advance. This game will be remembered for Vujacic’s inexplicable decision to foul Sloukas, a man who’s made 37 of his 38 foul shots this season, with the game tied at 65 and 10 seconds to go. Judging by the reactions, it wasn’t quite what they had agreed on in the preceding timeout.

Olympiakos has Panathinaikos on Sunday for the A1 regular season title. And a nine point win in Moscow would take them past CSKA. But that is not possible … or is it?

Bo McCalebb recorded a Euroleague season high when he missed six shots against Unicaja. He made eight, but still!

Blogosphere

  1. Aito Reneses on Efes vs Olympiakos
  2. The expectedly competent weekly round up by Yarone Arbel
  3. Rafa Uehara sees Barça peaking at the right moment
  4. A EuroCup round up over on Euro-Step
  5. Euroleague or NBA, Pekovic will deliver if you feed him.

Written by sJacas

February 10th, 2012 at 7:29 pm

  • such sweet thunder

    Am I allowed to ask who your favorite is at this juncture?

  • such sweet thunder

    And if you guys would humor me with one more question:

    Bismack Byombo of all people had a not-completely-horrible game for the Bobcats tonight. His length is an asset for guarding the hoop, and he looks coachable, if still very raw. On one post play on defense, Noah had inside position, and Byombo went up into what I would consider a classic solid post-defensive stance (both hands straight up, holding position close to the offensive player). Byombo, being inexperienced, instinctually dropped his hands, fouling Naoh for the and one.

    My question is this: I’ve noticed that European bigs in defensive post situations rarely use, what for the NBA, would be considered a good defensive stance. This seems to be true in both help and iso situations. I see a lot more attempts at shot blocks in European ball in lieu of going straight up and altering shots, which seems like a much more effective method for forcing misses and avoiding fouls. I hope I’m describing this well enough so you guys understand what I mean.

    Why is this? The theories that I’ve come up with so far, in decreasing order of likelihood:

    – European referees are more likely to whistle a defender if there is contact, even if the defender goes straight up and the offensive player initiates contact.

    – I’ve seen many European bigs make lay ups with a very low release point where they guard against a shot blocker with their body. This seems to be part of the bag for many European bigs, and I rarely see it from American bigs in the NBA. A more traditional defensive stance may not work as well in Euroleague play because of these body-shield-low-release layups from Euro bigs.

    – My instincts are wrong and bigs are more disruptive when they go for shot blocks; and since there is less of a concern about foul trouble in Euroleague play, given the longer rotations and shorter games, trying to swat shots in the better play.

    – European general managers are more reliant on traditional defensive stats, such as blocks and steals, when they are making player evaluations, so shot alterations don’t translate into player contracts like shot alterations.

  • http://www.in-the-game.org sJacas

    Tough one, but I am still taking CSKA’s length and talent.

    Barca and Montepaschi are in close proximity though, and Panathinaikos has that 13-4 record in Euroleague April/May games (from ’05 onwards) on their side. I usually don’t put much stock in historical stats, but they’ve been perfectly prepared in knockout games and playoff series.

    As things stand,

    QF1: CSKA – Bilbao/RMA
    QF2: Montepaschi – Oly/GS
    QF3: Unics/Panathinaikos – MTA/Cantu
    QF4: Barca – Unics/Panathinaikos

    with

    SF1: QF1 – QF3
    SF2: QF2 – QF4

  • Anonymous

    Simply, collective approach of Europe. Trying to block contains higher risk in the long run. But keeping your stance prevents offense to score more in the long run eventually. You can see the difference at NCAA as well. It is much more like Europe than NBA. The rules are also determined by the basic difference of one-on-one over team display as well. That’s just a result of general approach.

  • http://www.in-the-game.org sJacas

    @CT42:disqus: I think “Such sweet thunder” is saying the exact opposite: That it’s the European bigs who tend to drop their hands and thus create contact outside their cylinder.

    I see that often here, too, but I’m the wrong guy to comment as my NBA minutes are limited to a few highlights. I’ll pay some attention next time I watch one of these.

    The foul statistics between NBA and Euroleague are probably not what some people are expecting:

    LG    F/POS*    F/40M
    EL    0.30    20.9
    NBA    0.23    16.4

    Pos = FGA + 0.47*FTA – OR + TO

    (That’s not proof for a tighter leash of EL refs though. Maybe EL players are only called for one fourth of the fouls they commit.)

    Each of the four options is well thought, but I don’t feel confident making a statement about that, except for the fourth. I don’t think decision makers in European basketball (whether it’s owners, GMs or coaches) think that taking a lunge at the ball is the better play than taking a sober defensive stance. It’s the same as in the NBA: The competent guys have their own effective methods of player recruiting, whether those involve extensive use of advanced stats or not, whereas the incompetent half will make decisions based on the wrong use of traditional stats.

  • Anonymous

     Oh, I misread that part. Well, in Europe defenses are more aggresive basically. In NBA, I think it is more related with player characteristics and still relying on one-on-one defenses.

  • Anonymous

    Btw, as far as I understands from Sarıca’s after game comments, it was a choice they are not fully against so that Efes has the final word.

  • http://twitter.com/robscott33 Rob Scott

    I only saw the play once, but to me it looked less like a deliberate foul to change possession, and more an instinctive reach from Vujacic, as if he momentarily forgot the game situation. Not a clever play all round though…